Friday, September 09, 2016

Taking a stand by taking a knee

The story gets a lot of press in these days of social media, hyper awareness and constantly repeating news. 

But here's something to consider: back in the 80s, I went to a fair number of dolphins games.  I can distinctly remember this sequence of events: the teams would come out warm up and then head in to the locker room.  The invocation would come, then someone would play/sing the anthem. 

And afterward, the teams would take the field.  In other words, the teams weren't even on the field during the anthem.  There was no flap about it, because people in the stadium were the only ones who knew. And frankly, no one seemed to care. 

But as I say, hyper awareness has taken over and we make a big deal about a guy not standing or kneeling.  What of teams that didn't even come out to stand and hear it?  What if coach Pete Carroll had his team stay in the locker room this weekend?
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I think it's all politics. If you pine for the Reagan era when we were all feeling highly patriotic then you're offended. If you feel that our country isn't the model country we think we are, then you support the protest. I think that we all have our right to peacefully protest anything we want and the media and some knee-jerking Americans are making it a slight on vets and the like. I don't think it's a big deal and I believe the things that our Govt does (habitually) needs to change and where better to start than 1 person saying "enough"?

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The first amendment gives freedom of speech, however that was intended to protect you from the government, it has nothing to do with employers. If I walked around work saying whatever popped in my head, using the c word, or the n word or dropping f bombs all day my ass would be fired.

These displays are disgusting, if these ignorant morons want to post stuff on Twitter,or Facebook out of work fine, heck some people can get fired even for that if it reflects bad on the company. But I digress, the NFL is disgusting to allow this to go on. And these players are disgusting dishororing the flag and country that gives them the opportunity to play a freaking game for millions of dollars.

The NFL will fine you for wearing the wrong socks , but is silent on this? Ridiculous. I would bench these fing idiots, or cut them.

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NJ...enough of what? This racism lie?

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message is flawed to begin with. sorry to let the facts get in the way of a good story but the police are getting arrested every day. There is no conspiracy https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2016/06/22/study-finds-1100-police-officers-per-year-or-3-per-day-are-arrested-nationwide/

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This was retweeted by Omar Kelly. This is pure idiocy. "No one seems to be aware that our national anthem literally celebrates the murder of African-Americans. " really? No cure for ignorance I guess.

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If I recall, the slaves were freed under that flag during the civil war.....Am I wrong?

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Don , not sure what your point is , your article also said this "

To be clear, police are not committing crimes at anywhere near the level of civilians. Stinson’s data found 1.7 arrests of police per 100,000 population over the seven years of the study, where the general arrest rate in 2012 alone was 3,888 arrests per 100,000 population.".. There are bad apples in every bunch. However this has absolutely nothing to do with the flag and what it represents.

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His whole stance or lack there of is based on police getting away with murdering blacks and them being oppressed. My point is his whole premise is based on misinformed feelings instead of facts

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@don, gotcha, I agree, it's a false narrative.

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How about cubans protesting because he was using a Fidel Castro t-shirt Who is al racist dictator opresing historia country for more than 50 years.If you are trying to tell me Castro is the example of freedom and justice you're al moron

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How about cubans protesting because he was using a Fidel Castro t-shirt Who is al racist dictator opresing historia country for more than 50 years.If you are trying to tell me Castro is the example of freedom and justice you're al moron

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Good point Richard, it's clear kapernick is a radical agitator, not a true American. Would he prefer to live under castro? I think not. He is a spoiled liberal communist sympathizer.

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The players say they are taking a knee as "a pregame demonstration of unity". Funny, I thought that's what standing for the National Anthem was?

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The players say they are taking a knee as "a pregame demonstration of unity". Funny, I thought that's what standing for the National Anthem was?

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Here's another thing to think about Mr. Kennedy. Just what are these "kneelers" trying to communicate? Are they saying that the fans are guilty of social injustice? Or do they want the fans, who are paying to watch football as entertainment, to take some politically motivated action? A football game is neither the time or the place for these stupid antics.

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Here's another thing to think about Mr. Kennedy. Just what are these "kneelers" trying to communicate? Are they saying that the fans are guilty of social injustice? Or do they want the fans, who are paying to watch football as entertainment, to take some politically motivated action? A football game is neither the time or the place for these stupid antics.

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For people who don't know how to respond to those who say our national anthem is racist.....It's not. Here's a link explaining it.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/31/opinions/star-spangled-banner-criticisms-opinion-clague/

CK's right to protest is certainly valid the question is whether or not the venue is appropriate. The ability to know when it is appropriate is part of showing class and maturity. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. To me, he comes across very immature and uninformed. I don't believe that a football game where you are essentially an employee doing a job is the right place to stage a protest. Especially considering that this is meant to be an event for entertainment not a political rally. When we go to our place of employment our focus should be on doing what our employer requires of us. If I went to my job in a situation where the focus was to be on my company's goal and decided to draw attention to myself in order to make a political protest I would likely (and rightly) not have a job the next day. As an employer, if I had an employee that did some thing like this on my time he would undoubtedly be fired. When he's not working he can do whatever he wants.

The NFL's silence is very telling of their liberal political stance. If someone did the same thing to protest abortion or the erosion of marriage between a man a woman you better believe the NFL would put a stop to it. Freedom of speech in the NFL is only okay if you agree with their agenda. I saw a player (Don Jones) make a statement regarding Michael Sams kissing his boyfriend at the draft and he was not only impugned by the NFL but was forced to take PC classes. This was for a tweet on his own time. Imagine if the ramifications if it was done at an NFL Game. If you don't like the NFL allowing CK's behavior then walk out of a game and hit them in the wallet. That's the only way to get them to listen.

The other glaring issue I see is when someone is protesting for a false narrative claiming racism in places where it is proven that it isn't a factor. i.e "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" - It didn't happen. Yet people are protesting that shooting. The problem is that where real racism exist it gets over shadowed because people are too busy looking at the things that aren't racist. This causes a credibility problem just like the boy who cried wolf. Just because there are a few racist cops does not mean all are racists and every shooting of a black person is racist. There many stats to back that up.

I do believe there are still some areas of racism left in our country that do need to change but if someone wants to be racist no one can force that person to change their view. Part of our freedom of speech is the freedom to hold and express views that are offensive to others. Unfortunately, that includes racist views. You can't take away that freedom from racists without eroding the whole concept of freedom of speech. Once you start down that road then more and more things become prohibited eventually infringing on the freedoms you don't want to lose.

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Back then football was football. It was rough and players played for the team and pride. They played to put a beating on the other. Now it's all about the dollar and the NFL has choreographed the game to a science. From all matching uniforms to the national anthem with players to a hundred more rules. It used to be a sport and now it's a show. A well choreographed broadway show.

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Fair question. And I don't know. And to a point I don't care either.

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People need to STOP trying to compare their 9 to 5 with NFL players. "if I did that on my job I would be fired" Are you a NFL player? Are you a celebrity? These guys have a different stage. Just like that idiot celebrity donald trump has. Dosent he say and do whatever idiotic thing he wants? Can not compare your job with theirs. These guys are celebrities professional athletes. trump is just an idiot rich business man but like athletes he is also a celebrity.

Where is this so called "false narrative" It is well documented that the kkk and white supremacy has a very strong presence in law enforcement and criminal justice system. There is NOTHING FALSE about that one. Everything that Kapernick is protesting is ACTUALLY happening in this country and has been happening in this country since the slaves where "freed" there is still NO total equality in this country. Kap is simply bringing awareness to the FACT that it still happening even though blacks were freed over a century ago. That is a total shame that there is no equality in this country. Anyone that says there is....is a person not being directly affected by it

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Tarniman, i vehemently disagree with your statements. I don't believe in this alleged social injustice suffered by black Americans in our country today. The United States has a black president, a black attorney general, black generals, and blacks occupying positions of power in all walks of life. Blacks in the US enjoy the same opportunities in government, law enforcement, military, business, education, voting, marriage, religion and all aspects of society. In fact, blacks have their own lobbying organizations, black colleges, the NAACP, hiring preferences, black only scholarships, black T.V. shows, magazines, news outlets, etc. etc. There are more white people in poverty, more white people victimized by police, and more white people subjected to violence by blacks than the other way around. Many in the silent majority are sick and tired of the victim card, the black card, and now, the so called social injustice card allegedly suffered by blacks in this country. This is especially laughable coming from these millionaire celebrity athletes who “protest” from their ivory towers. Give me a break.

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Tarniman, i vehemently disagree with your statements. I don't believe in this alleged social injustice suffered by black Americans in our country today. The United States has a black president, a black attorney general, black generals, and blacks occupying positions of power in all walks of life. Blacks in the US enjoy the same opportunities in government, law enforcement, military, business, education, voting, marriage, religion and all aspects of society. In fact, blacks have their own lobbying organizations, black colleges, the NAACP, hiring preferences, black only scholarships, black T.V. shows, magazines, news outlets, etc. etc. There are more white people in poverty, more white people victimized by police, and more white people subjected to violence by blacks than the other way around. Many in the silent majority are sick and tired of the victim card, the black card, and now, the so called social injustice card allegedly suffered by blacks in this country. This is especially laughable coming from these millionaire celebrity athletes who “protest” from their ivory towers. Give me a break.

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Amen, tarniman!

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." Howard Zinn

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Gary Grimes...btw your last name reminds me of Miko Grimes circus....NOT welcomed by Dolfans!!

What you are referring to is the handful of black people that has gotten appointed positions in government. What kap and I are referring to is the other 99% of black people that live everyday lives. Just because a handful of blacks have been appointed positions in government doesn't mean blacks don't experience injustice in this country. Even in slavery days there were a handful of blacks that was treated better and given some form of power.....but the majority of blacks were being oppressed and experienced injustice in this country. Though things have greatly improved the FACTS still remain that injustice is STILL present in this country. What do you think black people are making all this up?

Even though Kap is a millionaire doesn't mean he is not still black and has not been subjected to racism and prejudice. Even Opera has been victimized by this. Did you hear the story of the store rep that refused to show Opera a handbag? The store rep not knowing she was talking to Opera told Opera you can't afford it just because she was black person. I know Opera doesn't dress poor because she is the richest woman in the world I think. All the store rep saw was a black person.

So just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean its NOT true

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Taniman, way to start off a discussion, by dissing my name. Shows your lack of class right off the bat. And your closing statement goes both ways, just because you don't agree with me, doesn't mean it IS true.

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Taniman, way to start off a discussion, by dissing my name. Shows your lack of class right off the bat. And your closing statement goes both ways, just because you don't agree with me, doesn't mean it IS true.