Wednesday, November 11, 2015

Mayock: ‘Have to Continue to Build’ Around Ryan Tannehill « CBS Miami

This may be the stupidest comment I've heard in support of Miamis QB. His argument is quite simply that he doesn't see any options to replace him, even In college.

And he goes on to say that Tannehill can "make every throw" which simply doesn't make sense. He can't. And doesn't. I saw another analysis that explained that 12 of Ryan's completions last week were actually made behind the line of scrimmage (ie screen passes), and most of the remainder were under 10 yards. I think most of us could make those throws.

Build around Tannehill? Please. I'd trade that guy for bus fare.

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I don't pretend to know what's the deal with RT but my biggest complaint is his lack of leadership and emotion. Maybe Marino spoiled me in more ways than with his arm but give me a QB with fire and emotion and getting in guys faces, etc and I think you win an extra 2-3 games a year based on that. NOTHING seems to bother RT. After a bad series you usually see him on the sideline smiling...about what?? I'm not smiling so how the hell is he?? I still remember before we drafted him where Jon Gruden interviewed and rated RT with a very good grade and recommendation. He IS throwing down the field better but still under throws on the longer routes.His pocket awareness is another issues. He gets too focused on finding someone and is consistently oblivious to the rush. After leading the NFL for 3 years in getting sacked, you'd think he's wise up. I think RT is a problem but can we grade him with the crappy OL we have? I think if we're going to draft a QB then get a gut with LEADERSHIP skills. RT looks like a lost little boy out there too many plays. Lazor needs to wake up too. 3rd and goal on the 1 and we do a slant pass when we have Ajayi? WTF???? I think our OL, LB and DB's and FS must be seriously upgraded. We do have a lot of talent but we need to dump several guys (Jennings, Misi, Sheppard, D. Thomas, Fox to name a few) and we need to see more of McCain, D. Parker, Ajayi. Pouncey needs to get his head out of his ass. 2 games with snaps into the end zone for a safety? Enough said.....

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Ray - I agree that Tannehill isn't the answer and have applied the word journeyman to him.

And I go back to the simple premise that the team should draft a QB (or two) every year until they get one that is the guy. I realize leadership has changed a lot in Miami over the years, but you would think someone would figure it out.

Evaluating a QB and projecting him as a starter in the NFL isn't easy. But that's why you do it, do it, and do it again. Until you get it right.

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1. Mayock is the best at evaluating talent.
2. Tannehill isn't a leader.
3. Yes, draft a qb until you get it right.

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I'm not as high on him as I was last year but it's critical that we get 2 cbs, a safety a mlb and new guards before we even think about replacing our qb, rt17 can win with a top 5 defense and a middle of the pack oline not to mention without run d we're screwed anyway

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Speaking of qb, Dallas released Kellen Moore. Who's Kellen Moore you might ask? He's the all-time winningest qb in NCAA history. Wish Miami would pick him up.

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Look at Brady's passes --- same thing --- short passes and a lot of screens. When you average around 2-2.5 seconds getting rid of the ball you are not making many long passes

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"...12 of Ryan's completions last week were actually made behind the line of scrimmage (ie screen passes), and most of the remainder were under 10 yards."


This stat describes perfectly (IMO) the problem with Miami's offense and Tannehill. Philbin and Lazor's offense is all about the short pass. They throw short, and expect the receiver to get yards after the catch. However, when that's all you do, it's easy for the defense to move up and be in position to make the tackle and limit the yards after the catch.The defense is also in place to stop the run, too. How many times has this offense threw a 3 yard pass on 3rd and long? That's just stupid. Against the Bills I saw Tannehill throw a pass to the line of scrimmage and the receiver was immediately tackled by waiting defenders. It wasn't a check-down play where everyone else was covered; this must have been the play that was called because Tannehill threw the ball right away. This was on 3rd and 5, so why would you throw to a guy who is not going to get the 1st down? Why wouldn't you throw to a receiver who is at or past the 1st down marker? Their (Philbin and Lazor) entire offensive philosophy is stupid. They refuse to commit to a running game, and rarely go deep. The system is the short passing game, so that's what they do. Campbell showed that by establishing the running game it opened up the passing game. In those two games Tannehill threw the ball less, but was more effective. It was still mostly short passes, but he did throw a few further than usual.

Their offensive system is simple; throw it short, no matter what the consequences are. Tannehill fits this system, which IMO is a bad thing. What Miami needs to do is to build a REAL offense (with a real o-line) that will run the ball and also throw down the field; force an opponent to defend everything from a run to a bomb on every play. DO NOT build an offense around Tannehill! He is not very good under pressure, and when the game is on the line I'd rather depend on a solid running game. Fix the o-line and replace the offense first of all. Then, with an o-line to protect him and a running game to help him, if Tannehill still reverts to the "short pass only" style of playing you replace him.

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Lazor calls the plays, thill doesn't audible so if a screen is called that's what he's throwing

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If Dallas thinks weeden and cassel are better than Moore then..... Nuff said

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canamdolphin,

Kellen Moore? I could care less what any player did in college. Tim Tebow is the greatest statistical player in college history and we all know how that went. Remember Ryan Leaf? Show me something in the pros, because your college career becomes irrelevant the minute you're drafted. Like Jason said, if he was good enough to beat out Tannehill, he'd damn sure be good enough to beat out Cassel or Weeden.

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Ray I 4th that motion. Tannehill is a nice guy; but he will never be more than a backup QB no matter what. So, the dolphins should start Matt Moore the rest of the way. The whole team likes and respects Matt Moore. This is huge. Also with Matt Moore, we inherit the game sealing deep balls!

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Caman; WHY? The coaches will not let him play no matter how good he is. Matt Moore is a much better QB than Tannehill and no matter how poorly Tannehill plays, he cannot get on the field.

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Caman; WHY? The coaches will not let him play no matter how good he is. Matt Moore is a much better QB than Tannehill and no matter how poorly Tannehill plays, he cannot get on the field.

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Ray I 4th that motion. Tannehill is a nice guy; but he will never be more than a backup QB no matter what. So, the dolphins should start Matt Moore the rest of the way. The whole team likes and respects Matt Moore. This is huge. Also with Matt Moore, we inherit the game sealing deep balls!