Saturday, October 25, 2014

Comparison's; Only for Arm Chair's & Stat Gurus

I started a post comparing 2 QB's. Obviously Tanny was #1 & the other I got from 5 top 10,  top 20 lists: John Elway!  NFL.com had him the lowest at #8.  I was only going to do his first 3 years up against Tanny's 3, but Ryan hasn't finished his 3rd, and by looking at Elway's(83-85) it is well apparent how much of a change the NFL has made.
JE threw 259 passes in his rookie campaign compared to RT's 484. Completion % was 47.5 for JE & 58.3 for RT.
If I skip to more important stats(per opinion) JE in his 1st 3 years threw 47 TD's vs 52 INT's. RT has thrown 46 TD's(to date) vs. 35 INT's(to date).
The reason I did this is because I've been down on Ryan, and I really wanted to see a comparison against someone I grew up watching(& I wasn't gonna make it DAN).  In those 5 sites I mentioned, Elway is rated all-time as: #4, #8, #3, #2, & #4. This year RT is ranked as the 21st QB in the NFL.  More then anything this Post is an example of the change that has taken place.
If you look at his stats, you will see that JE basically had 8 dominant years in his 16 year career: 1987, 1988, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, & 1998.  So his 1st really good year was his "5th" year in the league!  His 3rd year(which RT is in now) he threw 22 TD's vs. 23 INT's!  His whole career statistic wise is a tiny bit better(in those 8 dominant years) than Ryan's 1st 2 1/2 years.
So, it really should be looked at as the change in the NFL, or we are so ready & inpatient for a winning team & good QB, that we are rushing Ryan right out of what could be a Hall of Fame Career!  Take it as you will?
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Those stats are useless. If a QB cannot throw the deep ball accurately, then he will never make the big times. If a Qb has not progressed to the accurate deep ball by his second year, then it is safe to say the it is never going to happen! I am not a bubble buster. I am a realist. I would love for Tannehill to be able to throw the deep ball accurately. Next year, when we have a new head coach and Qb who can throw the deep ball, all will begin to see what we were missing. If we used Moore or either of the other 2 qbs, we would blow all of our opponents out in the first half; including Buffalo.

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@D A
"Philbin and company needs to go back to the basics: first basic; NEVER in NFL history has a wr turned QB become a top single caller. However, a qb turned wr has proved successful. No qb has struggled for 2 years and have become a good qb on the SAME team. Now, some qbs have struggled for 2 or 3 years and moved on to another team and progressed to be a good qb. ALL qbs who have started slow and became a good qb, begin to make steady progress in their second year and were solid by the end of the 2nd year. Most star qbs are good in their rookie season! These facts can be confirmed and are undeniable and have never changed. In fact, there has been no exceptions to these rules, YET!" Do you remember this reply?
I stocked up as I said earlier in the week; condiments to help me eat my words. 2 things about your writing: 1) you see all as black or white. 2) you are extremely hungry, would you like my address?

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Elway Vs Tannehill. If it was a boxing match it would be a KO in the 1st to Elway. No comparison. Compare Thill to Gary Hogeboom or Kosar.. maybe even Chad Pennington, guys with a very limited skill set but got a job done. Hogeboom maybe the most accurate as he has some abilty to run. Arm wise Thill should be honoured to be in the class of Kosar.

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The Dolphins are running a variation of the West Coast offense. It's dink and dunk passes to set up the run. Any objections to that statement? Alright, then, let's compare Tannehill to one of the great West Coast quarterbacks, Joe Montana.

If the knock on Tannehill is that he can't throw the long ball, look at Montana in the 20+ and 40+ yards range. Montana has a 0 there in his 14 years with the 49'ers. Does that make him a bad quarterback? Obviously, not! Montana did have 70+ and 80+ yard touchdowns only because he had great receivers, such as Jerry Rice!

Tannehill has 13 20+ yard completions and 0 40+ yarders this season. His 2.3 Int.% is his lowest and his 87.8 qb rating is his highest in his career. Montana's career numbers were 2.6 Int.% and 92.3 qb rating.

I say, let the kid undo the effects of the Mike Sherman and learn and master Lazor's offense!

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@Mac,
Boxing? I'm not sure what you are talking about? Are you saying I shouldn't compare Tannehill to Elway because Elway is so much better? Boxing, if you want Elway then I'll take Ndamukong Suh.
You obviously did not understand the comparison. Kosar-Hogeboom? Bernie didn't play until year 7. Hogeboom was in Indy and I don't think he totaled 39 games; regardless, his stats don't even touch Tannehill. Or are they supposed to box also? I'll take Suh against Elway, Pennington, Kosar, & maybe Hogeboom?
You're also invited to eat! Need my address? I bought way too much and then started slamming on him before he(& the WR's) knew the "O" real well. Can you guess what Philly's record was this same day 1 year ago? 3-3! I set it up for ya! Vick-Foles??????Thill-MMoore

@D A

I erased my comments about....non-football issues. Sorry I even put them up.
Tanny has been playing above average compared to 90% of starting qb's in the league the last 3 games(minus quarters 1-2 of GB game). Granted 8 quarters have been against poor defenses, & 2 against a medium. I think he is getting used to the knew offense.
His first year; rookie; average. Second year; what, 58-59 sacks? still threw 24 td's vs. 17 int's. with no offensive line or offensive scheme. He is getting better and they haven't tried a real deep ball yet. It's coming. He will start hooking up with Wallace, Landry, Clay, Hartline, Gibson, Wallace & Sims or Hoskins as soon as everyone is convinced he can't do it.

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I meant Matthews, not Wallace 2X's!

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KNick, I'm with you on the, "as soon as everyone is convinced he can't do it" statement. It's gonna take take a shrewd D coordinator to stop what Miami's doing now. I'm sure that Lazor is equally shrewd and has kept Tannehill and the long ball under wraps until defenses begin regularly cheating up on the Dolphins.

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Canamdolphin, appreciate the support & pretty common takes on what's happening. I hope we are saying the same in late December!!
PHINS UP!!
ps to be clear, when I have offered to give out my address, I am referring to a joke I made about eating my words! I don't actually mean I would type it out....I'm not sure if I had to type this? I just didn't want anyone to think I am writing to this blog for any reason other than common interest, enjoyment, fun, and an occasional rant when the ball bounces the wrong way!!! Winning is FUN!!

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Good comparison knick but the reality it that the NFL has changed. The game is not the same. Compare Tannehill to Andrew Luck.....

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@Lawrence
Boxing or as QB's? Kidding. Yeah, I hear ya.' The NFL has changed. I'll try to be clearer on my point. 1)Picked Elway because he went to a team not very talented & started right away. 2) What I did not make clear enough about Tannehill is that his first 2 seasons he had an OC that had not changed in step with the NFL. Rookie year he played all games(that says something); 2nd year ......& I don't want to say this but have been wanting to point it out all year....58-59 sacks--didn't miss a game; (He is tough!) had the same "behind the times, no movement, defense knew the plays, OC" and still threw 24 to 17.
Yes Luck is very good. Peyton was very good in Indy. He won 1 SB. I haven't checked it out, but if I played Fantasy, BAMM! I would definitely go with a dome QB. When it comes to playoffs; No-effing way!! Dome QB's, in my opinion, do not get tested as much as open stadium QB's. Hey, if Luck ends up winning 5 SB's while in Indy, I will eat my words...not happily, but I'll do it(& say it because it won't happen). He might get 1 like Peyton(soon to be 2 with that squad in Denver).
My main point I was thinking about, but did not stress enough is that Ryan has a OL now, good WR's, OK to good RB's, and a good OC!! Hey, if he dips today, and the same against SD & the Lions, then we position for a good draft. For now, I am on the Ryan Tannehill express/band wagon, whatever. Can you say read-option?